http://feedback.tf2maps.net/images/TF2Maps140x140.png http://tf2maps.net Feedback feed for cp_cliffside_b3 - Provided by TF2Maps.net https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ difficult to hold htis area as blu https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 653709 at TF2Maps.net Sat, 12 Jul 2025 02:54:24 +0000 artpass looking neat so far https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 653708 at TF2Maps.net Sat, 12 Jul 2025 02:54:20 +0000 this for example --and the prev connection https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 653707 at TF2Maps.net Sat, 12 Jul 2025 02:54:05 +0000 b feels like a free cap since red is routed to a and takes less time to go there https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 653706 at TF2Maps.net Sat, 12 Jul 2025 02:54:02 +0000 i feel like there are opportunities to do so w/o wrecking too much geo https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 653705 at TF2Maps.net Sat, 12 Jul 2025 02:53:53 +0000 also blue needs more vis into red n vice versa https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 653704 at TF2Maps.net Sat, 12 Jul 2025 02:53:31 +0000 this red room should be easier for blu engies to nest in, that way they can build up a place to attack from https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 653703 at TF2Maps.net Sat, 12 Jul 2025 02:53:23 +0000 would it be that much geo change to connect B->C and A->C more https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 653702 at TF2Maps.net Sat, 12 Jul 2025 02:53:10 +0000 a/b feel very easy to steamroll and c seems hellish to defend https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 653701 at TF2Maps.net Sat, 12 Jul 2025 02:52:57 +0000 last point is very fun; first two feel forgetable and more like a minor inconvenience for blu than anything https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 653700 at TF2Maps.net Sat, 12 Jul 2025 02:52:56 +0000 this little hole u can fall into is pretty dumb https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 653699 at TF2Maps.net Sat, 12 Jul 2025 02:52:52 +0000 It feels really easy to deny ubers on last with pyro airblast since every door has a deathpit outside it https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 653698 at TF2Maps.net Sat, 12 Jul 2025 02:52:49 +0000 feels like if there's a single nest on last it becomes near unbeatable https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 653697 at TF2Maps.net Sat, 12 Jul 2025 02:52:34 +0000 placing a teleporter on this edge forces you to jump https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 653696 at TF2Maps.net Sat, 12 Jul 2025 02:35:46 +0000 outdoor lighting is way better now https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 653695 at TF2Maps.net Sat, 12 Jul 2025 02:30:27 +0000 in general i think capturing one of the two points should make the other one easier to capture with unlockable doors https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 653694 at TF2Maps.net Sat, 12 Jul 2025 02:23:01 +0000 maybe add a door here that unlocks when you capture one of the points https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 653489 at TF2Maps.net Wed, 09 Jul 2025 23:29:26 +0000 When defending A and B I really was missing some medium health pack somewhere https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 653487 at TF2Maps.net Wed, 09 Jul 2025 23:29:24 +0000 as in, i feel bad trying to defend A or B when it is kinda throwing? https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 653488 at TF2Maps.net Wed, 09 Jul 2025 23:29:24 +0000 maybe there should be a more pronounced way to indicate that there's a flight to down there https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 653486 at TF2Maps.net Wed, 09 Jul 2025 23:29:21 +0000 do consider reduceing the amount of prop jumps https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 653485 at TF2Maps.net Wed, 09 Jul 2025 23:29:16 +0000 feels like if red commits to defending A/B they lose C very fast and it kinda feels like you lose for it https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 653484 at TF2Maps.net Wed, 09 Jul 2025 23:29:10 +0000 entries https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 653483 at TF2Maps.net Wed, 09 Jul 2025 23:28:56 +0000 C point could be farther away from A and B to let red set up a bit more or maybe big doors like steel for one of the entrie https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 653482 at TF2Maps.net Wed, 09 Jul 2025 23:28:53 +0000 lighting on this barrel is weird https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 653481 at TF2Maps.net Wed, 09 Jul 2025 23:28:27 +0000 I have to move quite a bit to rotate between this upper and lower area safely instead of jumping out, no need to fix though https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 653480 at TF2Maps.net Wed, 09 Jul 2025 23:28:26 +0000 C's probably my favorite point since blu can come from a lot of angles https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 653479 at TF2Maps.net Wed, 09 Jul 2025 23:27:50 +0000 you get stuck crouching beneath the top of the handrail when using this jump route. or i do anyways https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 653478 at TF2Maps.net Wed, 09 Jul 2025 23:24:04 +0000 for your detailing needs; theres a gap here in the window https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 653477 at TF2Maps.net Wed, 09 Jul 2025 23:16:56 +0000 crates in the way https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 653476 at TF2Maps.net Wed, 09 Jul 2025 23:16:10 +0000 every extra route that blu can use gives them low ground, a drop down they cant see out of, or is just the same route with https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 653475 at TF2Maps.net Wed, 09 Jul 2025 23:16:07 +0000 ions https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 653474 at TF2Maps.net Wed, 09 Jul 2025 23:15:28 +0000 like cp_steel has two routes pretty much but theres usually more than one way to approach a point with some high ground opt https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 653473 at TF2Maps.net Wed, 09 Jul 2025 23:15:25 +0000 two routes https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 653472 at TF2Maps.net Wed, 09 Jul 2025 23:14:15 +0000 I can see you try to make things interesting by having different shacks and a lot of crate props in the way but its still https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 653471 at TF2Maps.net Wed, 09 Jul 2025 23:14:13 +0000 ultimately, the routes to A and B are just two routes and it gets pretty old fast https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 653470 at TF2Maps.net Wed, 09 Jul 2025 23:13:31 +0000 bad thing to stuck on https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 653469 at TF2Maps.net Wed, 09 Jul 2025 23:12:57 +0000 only blue spawn door campable by ONE demo https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 653468 at TF2Maps.net Wed, 09 Jul 2025 23:08:42 +0000 red being able to easily spam the point from this angle makes this point terrible to attack https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 653467 at TF2Maps.net Wed, 09 Jul 2025 23:02:24 +0000 detailing looks really nice! https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 653466 at TF2Maps.net Wed, 09 Jul 2025 23:01:43 +0000 clipping https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 653465 at TF2Maps.net Wed, 09 Jul 2025 22:57:49 +0000 why does standing here render everything up to and including C, check your skybox placement and visleaves https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 653096 at TF2Maps.net Mon, 07 Jul 2025 18:19:38 +0000 that isn't the case here. https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 653095 at TF2Maps.net Mon, 07 Jul 2025 18:19:30 +0000 on gravel pit you are presented with both points as an option upon leaving spawn https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 653094 at TF2Maps.net Mon, 07 Jul 2025 18:19:22 +0000 clip this https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 653093 at TF2Maps.net Mon, 07 Jul 2025 18:19:16 +0000 It doesn't feel very natural to use B as a route for blue because it is kinda out of the way routing wise https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 653092 at TF2Maps.net Mon, 07 Jul 2025 18:19:02 +0000 clip this https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 653091 at TF2Maps.net Mon, 07 Jul 2025 18:18:47 +0000 except this door which is easily spammed https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 653090 at TF2Maps.net Mon, 07 Jul 2025 18:18:44 +0000 clip this https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 653089 at TF2Maps.net Mon, 07 Jul 2025 18:18:39 +0000 the primary gameplay routes into C blu has are all low-ground https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 653088 at TF2Maps.net Mon, 07 Jul 2025 18:18:35 +0000 last gameplay revolves around standing here and pressing m1 m2 https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 653087 at TF2Maps.net Mon, 07 Jul 2025 18:18:24 +0000 since a lot of sentries and explosive classes perch up here https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 653086 at TF2Maps.net Mon, 07 Jul 2025 18:18:02 +0000 this staircase is not very useful for attackers https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 653085 at TF2Maps.net Mon, 07 Jul 2025 18:17:45 +0000 again, this last is still terrible spamfest, been like this forever, nobody seems to like it still https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 653084 at TF2Maps.net Mon, 07 Jul 2025 18:17:36 +0000 Last point feels really unfun to push into https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 653083 at TF2Maps.net Mon, 07 Jul 2025 18:17:34 +0000 I can hide a mini here which is probably pretty annoying https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 653082 at TF2Maps.net Mon, 07 Jul 2025 18:06:58 +0000 routing to blu spawn for red is a bit weird? https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 653081 at TF2Maps.net Mon, 07 Jul 2025 18:06:09 +0000 you can get stuck trying to walk up this https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 652945 at TF2Maps.net Sun, 06 Jul 2025 20:11:38 +0000 kind of wish red had B height that connected better to that central room like to here etc. https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 652944 at TF2Maps.net Sun, 06 Jul 2025 20:11:34 +0000 the cover before last doesnt close off this sightline it makes it harder to see a sniper here https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 652943 at TF2Maps.net Sun, 06 Jul 2025 20:10:57 +0000 same for this gap https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 652942 at TF2Maps.net Sun, 06 Jul 2025 20:10:56 +0000 of the rounds I've played recently it seems like red has a hard time holding C, not sure if it's a timing issue or intended https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 652941 at TF2Maps.net Sun, 06 Jul 2025 20:10:52 +0000 you should block bullets for this small gap https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 652940 at TF2Maps.net Sun, 06 Jul 2025 20:10:41 +0000 I think Red should get some sort of high ground against C, instead of starting so low and having to travel up stairs to it. https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 652939 at TF2Maps.net Sun, 06 Jul 2025 20:10:25 +0000 you can crouch here and snipe a horrendous sightline https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 652938 at TF2Maps.net Sun, 06 Jul 2025 20:10:25 +0000 also please add more markers on which point is A/B i still mistake them all the time https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 652937 at TF2Maps.net Sun, 06 Jul 2025 20:04:51 +0000 Meanwhile A is very close to Red's spawn and indoors, making it easy to camp. This has been the same throughout versions. https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 652936 at TF2Maps.net Sun, 06 Jul 2025 19:52:04 +0000 B is very open and further from Red spawn, making it get capped really easily. https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 652935 at TF2Maps.net Sun, 06 Jul 2025 19:51:44 +0000 player clip this so i can shoot the floor :c https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 652934 at TF2Maps.net Sun, 06 Jul 2025 19:37:25 +0000 AB open C closed https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 652866 at TF2Maps.net Sun, 06 Jul 2025 02:53:29 +0000 Capping B, then A usually leads to a strong push to C. https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 652865 at TF2Maps.net Sun, 06 Jul 2025 02:53:26 +0000 this corridors are too small they just keep getting spammed by AoRE https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 652864 at TF2Maps.net Sun, 06 Jul 2025 02:53:19 +0000 c is not fun, all approaches are terrible. if they have any nest its impossible to cap. https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 652863 at TF2Maps.net Sun, 06 Jul 2025 02:52:40 +0000 B is way to easy to capture https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 652862 at TF2Maps.net Sun, 06 Jul 2025 02:51:56 +0000 I meant B* https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 652861 at TF2Maps.net Sun, 06 Jul 2025 02:42:34 +0000 A kinda looking like a push to open door right now https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 652860 at TF2Maps.net Sun, 06 Jul 2025 02:42:27 +0000 this cover looks kind of dark? https://feedback.tf2maps.net/map/cp_cliffside_b3/ Feedback 652859 at TF2Maps.net Sun, 06 Jul 2025 02:36:36 +0000